Writer: Lovecraftsdeath
Subject: The Real Problem with the Conception of Jesus
Link: Tumblr / 10.11.2025
The Real Problem with the Conception of Jesus
Though it is a bit early to be ruminating about the coming season, I have been thinking a great deal about the annunciation of Jesus over the past few hours, and consequently, his conception. Many will say something like “God fucked Mary,” etc, etc, and while this may seem funny to an eighteen-year-old trying to piss off his back-wooded baptist peers. It’s bullshit, and anyone speaking in good faith will admit so.
However, even if one considers the Christian view of the virgin Mary becoming pregnant with God in the flesh, not through sex, but through the holy spirit testing upon her, one must still conclude that he is monstrous. No dishonesty or low blows are necessary. “But Andrew, besides me finding that ridiculous, how could that be! God had to have raped her!”Nope. Not at all. So the Catholics (the OG Christians and therefore the authority on it) believe, through Dogma, that Mary was born free of original sin.
This was crucial because she must be able to say, “Yes,” to receiving the pregnancy without any fear of reprisal or anger from God (skipping the theology here). She had to know that God would still love her perfectly if she said no. It is the only way she could accept it with complete free will … Catholic tradition states, and most catholics believe this, that Mary was fourteen years old at the time of the conception — Fourteen!
An age that most Christians would now agree is too young to give, “Full consent of the will.” After all, even maturation isn’t considered a mortal sin at that age, much less agreeing to become pregnant while unwedded, disgraced, etc, in first-century BC Palestine. A fourteen-year-old’s mind simply isn’t developed enough, and then there is the issue of the female body at age fourteen.
Even the church fathers said that a woman should ideally wait until eighteen before bearing a child because it can destroy her body and render her infertile. And since God is omniscient, he has perfect knowledge of all of this. It doesn’t matter about the customs of the time. Not by that point. Not when it comes to the moral law. I could say more, and if I have missed a detail or made an error, please let me know. I’m going to bed now.
You have to play the hand you were dealt and if religious scholars say Mary was 14 when she conceiver, deal with it!! Just because the “Church Father’s” says a female should wait till 18 to have kids and say it’s because a 14yo’s body (and mind) hasn’t developed enough, the Bible says it happened. I’m not a Bible thumper, but it does say Mary was a virgin and she conceiver a baby everyone recognized as God’s son. The “Church fathers” can say it goes against moral or physically laws…but, the “Book” says it happened! You say…”It doesn’t matter about the customs of the time. Not by that point. Not when it comes to the moral law”…Who’s moral law are you questioning? Gods??? He didn’t fuck her, my guess is she was artifactually inseminated and therefor science (and a farmer) played a big part in her pregnancy’s. Farmers inseminating animals routinely back then. I’m a realist and say if God can talk through a burning bush, then he is more than capable of producing his seed for insemination. Otherwise, you have to question the entire thing and that starts with what is written in Bible and the concept of a God…So, you may not be in error, but isn’t that your point?
OH YES…if you question the concept of God (or Jesus) and therefor the existence of Heaven; you must also question, the concept of Satin (or the Devil) and the existence of Hell……
Hail Pervone, it’s an interesting counter. Thanks.
The thing about fiction, as a writer, you can do whatever you want. The Bible is fiction. So, the writers can make up all kinds of things. Burning bushes, parting of the seas, resurrections, and virgin births … sure, they maybe rooted in some form of reality (like artificial insemination) but that’s not what was written. I have no doubt that two thousand years ago, a fourteen year old could be sexuality active, but the virgin birth makes of a better story. And that’s all it is. A story.
Now, there are those who like this story. Christians think it’s a cool story. And they tell it over and over. The manger, three wise men, the Star, the shepherds, etc … but that’s doesn’t change the fact that it’s a story.
I guess our learned friend, Lovecraftsdeath, isn’t one to take their story to heart. In fact, he sees it as a story with holes in the plot and characters who are not believable — and he’s just pointing out the facts as he sees it.
At the end of the day. You believe what you want to believe.
I was commenting on the Catholic perspective.
Interesting inquiry ‘Lovecraftsdeath’
I’ve never understood the religeous hangups concerning this issue in particular when in Genesis it clearly talks about the ‘sons of god’ taking mortal woman for wives, and thus giving birth to the infamous Nephilim. I don’t think age was a problem concerning their intentions. If the entities had that capacity then, why not God? I think most Theistic Satanists familiar with Gnostic texts would agree that cambions (hybrids) exists in the world today. And I suppose it’s one thing to infer such a cosmological deduction based upon scripture, yet another thing entirely when one knows this truth to be literally so. The real question is what factions of angels were those ‘sons of god’ in contrast to Jesus’s case? Whether you’re an occult practitioner of the Right or Left Hand Path, you eventually attract attention from the unseen once you start to decode God, Satan, Lucifer, The Holy Spirit, and Jesus. They will determine your level of power, magical/entity affairs, and overall intentions within the Infernal War.
I’ve recently come across a YouTuber ‘MorgueOfficial’ whom articulates the most practical case I’ve ever seen regarding Yahweh and Satan being one side of the same coin – Accurately pointing out Jesus isn’t the son of this god, but a higher God – El Elyon (El Elohim) – the bestower of the Holy Spirit that animates life (Breath of Elohim). Of course don’t take his word for it; the demons Jesus exorcises exclaim he is the ‘Son of the Most High God’ in scripture… Now please hear me out: I don’t mean to aggravate followers of the dark path here, quoting the Bible and such, but I did once walk the Right Hand Path and found it to be false. After realising both Light and Dark Angels serve in the Council of Yahweh, my perspective of ‘Satan’ changed regarding his role, status, and title as the ‘god of this world’. I learned that Satan can comprise of many different entities that attribute themselves to the Hive Mind which serve to feed upon mankinds ego and karma build up. Seening Yahweh/Satan as the ‘Demiurge’ responsible for keeping man in a constant reincarnation due to this continual karmic-feeding by his hosts, Jesus role played out more like a divine interloper trying to show mankind how to break away from the cycle and return to the true source of creation. Lucifer on the other hand is an aspect of the Satan (The Hive Mind of Dark Entities) that broke away from the Council — per Revelations 12 stating the Great Dragon taking 1/3 of the heavenly hosts with him. I’ve since seen his mission for mankind to sustain preserving the self and ego, actualize our divinity within, and use that power to resist Yahweh’s reincarnation imprisonment cycle.
As one can surmise, I lean more Luciferian vs. Theistic Satanist. I therefore don’t understand the Jesus-Hate by the latter. He’s basically the exit protocal from this reality, whereas Lucifer (Satan) is the resist deletion in this reality. Both oppose the Demiurge from different fronts in my opinin, and are not necessarily enemies to that end. Anyways that just my unique perspective. I’ve been coming back and forth here for the past year or so – first time posting. I’m interested to see others thoughts given this is the most recent theological posting. Thanks in advance for your consideration!
An interesting response. I’ll admit that I didn’t even know that this post I had written for Tumblr was published on here. Not that I mind. The point of the post however, was simply the issue that it brings according to the moral law of God as defined by the Catholic Church. It doesn’t matter whether there was physical sex (there wasn’t), the fact is that if (according to catholics) God is all good, all knowing, etc, then he is well aware of the issues of her being so young. He knows that one cannot give consent at that age, even of she is without sin. He knows that the body isn’t ready for it, etc. Sure, her age is not from the cannon. It’s from the protoevangelion of James. But the Church embraced it. Most still do. And therein lies the issue. That is the perspective from which I write. Sorry if I muched it up. I didn’t reread my article and it’s been a bit.
Thank you for noticing my response! I understand where you are coming from, and of course I don’t agree with the Church’s interpretation either. I brought up the Nephilim in contrast because perhaps Yahweh’s law is not applicable in Mary’s case. Yahweh created the flesh to encase the breath of Elohim, so he has Satan preside over the body – not the Eternal Father. What if the Holy Spirit is from Elohim directly (Not an entity associated with the earthly divine council of angels / demons mentioned in Job and 1 Kings 22: 19-23). Take Adam for example: Eve can be considered the first conception when Yahweh divided the flesh, separating the divine feminism and masculine polarities that made up the original human spirit. Consider what is occuring with Jesus being born of a spirit that is already whole and complete on its own, irregardless of Mary’s gender. It’s nature should supercedes the rules applied between opposite sexes because it does not require another halve to make itself whole. Like you said, physical sex did not happen. In my humble opinion, some religious leaders get hung up on the age thing but forget that law of spirit is higher than the fleshly man created customs. They rather not get into a metaphysical break down what’s going on, but I have come across a few that do. And no need to apologize, I enjoy these topics very much.
nice first time reply Magi. I hope you express yourself more often here. Well done
Thank you pervone! It’s been a bit of of a journey trying to find sites of true left hand path followers. Of course Reddit and Discord servers are out there with useful resources; yet a bit disorganized and too passive imo. This blog and probably thedivilstemple.com have alike adepts that align well with other esoteric subjects I’ve previously read here.
tried accessing thedivilstemple.com, but it says it’s having problems…if you’d like to chat in private my proton addy is pervoneridesagain@proton.me… you seem to be a smart person and write so eloquently, i’m not sure i can keep up with you, but it will be fun while it last…
Hmm. Might have to do with your regions internet provider? I suggest using a VPN. You can find the Devilism Project on YouTube, and their main coven practitioners channel: Satania